Tuesday, April 28, 2009
Chapters 6-10 Response:
Holden seems to lie a lot through out these chapters. He lies to the older lady about her son and who he really is and why he left Pency early. He tries to order a drink when he is in the Lavender room. He doesn't go home right away because he doesn't want his parents to know yet about him getting kicked out. He wants to wait until they already have known for a lil while. The women that he meets in the club, he lies to them about his real name.
Chapter 10 Summary:
Holden doesn't want to just sit around. He still questions whether or not he wants to call his sister, Phoebe. He then talks about her and tells about times the spend together. Holden ends up going to the Lavender room which is a club with a band. He tries to order a drink but gets id. He ends up dancing with some girls that were sitting at table. He bought all their drinks and when it came to do go, he went back to his room alone.
Chapter 9 Summary:
Holden wants to call someone when he arrives, but it is late and he doesn't know for sure who to call. He gets a cab to go to a hotel. He tries to talk to the cab driver by asking him where the duck in center park lagoon go for the winter. When he gets to his room he looks in the windows of other rooms and sees a guy dressing like a girl. And in another room a guy and girl and spitting water on each others faces. He ends up calling a girl by the name of Faith, because he wanted a lil somethin... but she wanted her beauty sleep.
Chapter 8 Summary:
Holden got a late night train to New York. While he is on the train a older lady comes and sits by him. It turned out that it was Ernest Morrow's mother. He was a classmate of Holden's. He didn't like him at all, but he tells his mother that he is a great person. When she asks his name, he give the name of the janitor. She asks him why he is leaving early and he tells her that he had a brain tumor and is having an operation.
Chapter 7 Summary:
Holden is talking to Ackley and trying to fall asleep in Ackley's roommates bed, but he couldn't. Holden is really upset and ends up waking Ackley up after he fell asleep and asks him a lot of really dumb question. Holden still has Jane on his mind and can't imagine her fooling around with Stradlater. Holden ends up packing his stuff and leaving Pency forever.
Chapter 6 Summary:
When Stradlater gets home from his date, he makes a lot of noise. He reads the composition paper that Holden wrote for him and is mad because it has nothing to do with the assignment. Holden tears it up and throws it away. Holden begins asking about his date with Jane, but Stradlater ignores him and Holden gets mad and attacks him. Stradlater ends up pinning him and getting the best of him. Holden goes into Ackley's room with his face full of blood.
Chapters 1-5 Response:
Holden's red hat basically just shows that he is different from other. He always says when he is wearing it. He never seems to wear it when he is going to be around people that he knows. The color of it is red just like his brother, Allie, hair was.
Holden seems to separate himself from everyone else. He doesn't go to the biggest game of the year. He seems to like to be alone most of the time. He seems to want to do what he wants when he wants and he really doesn't care what happens.
Holden seems to separate himself from everyone else. He doesn't go to the biggest game of the year. He seems to like to be alone most of the time. He seems to want to do what he wants when he wants and he really doesn't care what happens.
Chapter 5 Summary:
Holden and some boys go out of the night. They end up having a snowball fight. Their intention was to go to a movie but beings they had already seen it, they decided to get burgers and play some games. When they got back Holden gets ride of Ackley by starting to write the composition paper. He writes about a baseball glove. He then tells us about his brother Allie who was two years younger but passed away due to leukemia. Holden seemed to be close to Allie.
Chapter 4 Summary:
Holden is in the bathroom with Stradlater while he gets ready. He says that he is a secret sob whereas Ackley is a sob. They then begin talking about his date and who it is. Holden ends up know this girl. Jane Gallagher use to be with Holden. Holden seems to still have feelings for her. He wants to talk to her but decides that he isn't in the mood. Stradlater asks Holden if he could write is composition paper for him. Stradlater borrowed Holden's jacket.
Chapter 3 Summary:
Holden lives in Ossenburger Hall. While he was reading Out of Africa, Ackley barged into his room. We get the hint that Ackley doesn't have many friends. Holden gets annoyed with him for cutting his nails on the floor. Ackley has a bad habit of not brushing his teeth. While they are talking, Stradlater comes in. Stradlater is Holden's roommate. Ackley takes off back to his room because he doesn't like Stradlater. Stradlater claims that he has a date waiting for him downstairs and all he needs to do shave.
Chapter 2 Summary:
Holden is at Mr. Spencer's house, talking to him about him leaving. Mr. Spencer is giving him a big lecture about his schooling and how he needs to focus or his future won't be good. He told him that he need to play life by the rules in order to have success. Mr. Spencer kept reminding him that he knew that he knew nothing about history. He even made him listen to the terrible paper that he had written about Ancient Egyptians. Holden didn't want to listen anymore so he told him that he needed to get going.
Chapter 1 Summary:
Holden begins telling his story when he was at Pency. He doesn't talk much about his childhood. He does say that his brother is in Hollywood. He is a famous writer. He tells us that he is getting kicked out because he is failing four out of his five classes. He is passing English. Holden is the manger of the fencing team. He lost all the equipment on the subway so the team was home early. He is standing on the hill watching the biggest game of the year, thinking about everything and trying to find a way to say goodbye. Before too long he takes off to visit Mr. Spencer, she history teacher. In this chapter we also find out that Holden is a heavy smoker.
Wednesday, April 22, 2009
First Draft:
In The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald, the American dream is demonstrated. The American dream in this story is to have both money and love. However, we all know that sometimes you just can’t have both. The characters in the story try to live with both and end up having a lot of problems along the way. This story sets a good example of how you can’t always have everything that you want. With the American dream Myrtle, Gatsby, and Daisy confuse money with love and end up losing what they already had.
Myrtle dreams of being with Tom because he has a lot of money and she doesn’t have much beings she is part of the lower class. Tom will buy her anything that she asks for. “‘My dear,’ she cried, ‘I’m going to give you this dress as soon as I’m through with it. I’ve go to get another one tomorrow. I’m going to have a list of all the things I’ve got to get. A massage and a wave and a collar for the dog and one of those cute little ash trays where you touch a spring, and a wreath with a black silk bow for mother’s grave that’ll last all summer. I got to write down a list so I won’t forget all the thing I got to do.’”(Fitzgerald 40-41) Myrtle knew that as long as she had Tom, she could have whatever she wanted. Tom had bought her a puppy that she wanted for the apartment they had in New York City. Myrtle was married to Wilson, who worked at a gas station and didn’t get much for money. They lived in the Valley of Ashes, which was like a lower class town. Myrtle felt that with Tom she could live the American dream, but she heads up getting hit by a car and dies. Tom has lost his lover, but yet he is able to move on with Daisy as if he didn’t know her that well.
Gatsby changed everything about himself so he would have enough money for Daisy to be with him. Gatsby was part of the lower class when he lived at home with his family. Gatsby met Daisy with he was heading off to war. The two of them spent about a month together. When Gatsby left for the war, Daisy said that she would wait for him. However, Daisy does not wait for him and goes off and marries Tom. Tom had a lot of money and Daisy’s father approved of him. When Gatsby finished serving in the war, he build a mansion across from Daisy’s house so he could still be close to her. He had big parties at his house, hoping that one day Daisy would come walking in. Gatsby didn’t get his money by heritance he got it by bootlegging. Gatsby meets up with Daisy five years later and Gatsby shows Daisy everything that he had. Daisy was amazing and seemed to be falling for him all over again. Tom and Gatsby begin to fight over Daisy and whom she really loves. Gatsby says that it has been going on for five years. Tom says that it couldn’t have been going in for that long. Gatsby wanted Daisy to tell tom that she never loved him, but Daisy said that that would be lie. Gatsby tells Tom, “‘She never loved you, do you hear?’… ‘She only married you because I was poor and she was tired of waiting for me. It was a terrible mistake, but in her heart she never loved anyone except me!’” Gatsby changed his life because he felt that if he wanted to live the American dream he need money to have Daisy. Daisy was everything that he dreamed of. Gatsby ends up getting shot and nobody goes to his funeral. Daisy, the one who he truly cares for, doesn’t even come. She doesn’t even send a letter of anything. She just moves on with out him like she didn’t really know him that well.
Daisy is in a relationship for money; she would never marry a man who didn’t have money. Tom has affairs a lot, but Daisy will not leave him because of his money. They just move always if Tom and his lover got too close. The night before Daisy’s wedding, she was a mess because she had received a letter from Gatsby. Daisy was no completely over him, but he didn’t have enough money to support her. When Daisy saw Gatsby for the first time in five years, she was in shock and amazed with what he all had. Beings Gatsby had money, Daisy wanted to be with him. Money seemed to be the only thing that weighed on her mind. “‘Her voice is full of money, he said suddenly.’”(Fitzgerald 127) Gatsby says that when he is talking with Nick. Everyone can see that a man with money interests her very much. Daisy could love someone and be very close to them, but refuse to marry them because they did not have enough money. Daisy started spending more time with Gatsby and she started to feel closer to him. When they all went into the city together, Tom and Gatsby fought about who Daisy truly loved. Gatsby and Daisy ended up heading for home together before the rest of them. When they were driving through the Valley of Ashes, Daisy ran Myrtle over. She did not stop, she just kept on driving. When they arrived home, Gatsby waited outside to make sure that she was okay. Daisy never talked to him again and Gatsby dies soon after. Daisy didn’t even feel close enough to him to even attend his funeral. She didn’t even send a note. Daisy felt that if she wanted to live the American dream she needed a man that had money and in the end, she lost Gatsby but still had Tom.
Myrtle, Gatsby, and Daisy all believed that the perfect American dream was to have both money and love. They soon found out that it was hard to have both. They realized that you sometime can’t always get what you want. During this story everyone lost what they secretly and truly wanted. Myrtle lost her life because of Tom. She thought it was Tom in the car, but it wasn’t. Gatsby lost his life because of Daisy. If he wouldn’t have been going after her, tom may have never even known him to tell Wilson that he was the one driving the car that hit Myrtle. Daisy lost Gatsby completely because she hit Myrtle and didn’t turn herself in. With this story’s American dream, it is very hard to live a happy life with both money and love together.
Myrtle dreams of being with Tom because he has a lot of money and she doesn’t have much beings she is part of the lower class. Tom will buy her anything that she asks for. “‘My dear,’ she cried, ‘I’m going to give you this dress as soon as I’m through with it. I’ve go to get another one tomorrow. I’m going to have a list of all the things I’ve got to get. A massage and a wave and a collar for the dog and one of those cute little ash trays where you touch a spring, and a wreath with a black silk bow for mother’s grave that’ll last all summer. I got to write down a list so I won’t forget all the thing I got to do.’”(Fitzgerald 40-41) Myrtle knew that as long as she had Tom, she could have whatever she wanted. Tom had bought her a puppy that she wanted for the apartment they had in New York City. Myrtle was married to Wilson, who worked at a gas station and didn’t get much for money. They lived in the Valley of Ashes, which was like a lower class town. Myrtle felt that with Tom she could live the American dream, but she heads up getting hit by a car and dies. Tom has lost his lover, but yet he is able to move on with Daisy as if he didn’t know her that well.
Gatsby changed everything about himself so he would have enough money for Daisy to be with him. Gatsby was part of the lower class when he lived at home with his family. Gatsby met Daisy with he was heading off to war. The two of them spent about a month together. When Gatsby left for the war, Daisy said that she would wait for him. However, Daisy does not wait for him and goes off and marries Tom. Tom had a lot of money and Daisy’s father approved of him. When Gatsby finished serving in the war, he build a mansion across from Daisy’s house so he could still be close to her. He had big parties at his house, hoping that one day Daisy would come walking in. Gatsby didn’t get his money by heritance he got it by bootlegging. Gatsby meets up with Daisy five years later and Gatsby shows Daisy everything that he had. Daisy was amazing and seemed to be falling for him all over again. Tom and Gatsby begin to fight over Daisy and whom she really loves. Gatsby says that it has been going on for five years. Tom says that it couldn’t have been going in for that long. Gatsby wanted Daisy to tell tom that she never loved him, but Daisy said that that would be lie. Gatsby tells Tom, “‘She never loved you, do you hear?’… ‘She only married you because I was poor and she was tired of waiting for me. It was a terrible mistake, but in her heart she never loved anyone except me!’” Gatsby changed his life because he felt that if he wanted to live the American dream he need money to have Daisy. Daisy was everything that he dreamed of. Gatsby ends up getting shot and nobody goes to his funeral. Daisy, the one who he truly cares for, doesn’t even come. She doesn’t even send a letter of anything. She just moves on with out him like she didn’t really know him that well.
Daisy is in a relationship for money; she would never marry a man who didn’t have money. Tom has affairs a lot, but Daisy will not leave him because of his money. They just move always if Tom and his lover got too close. The night before Daisy’s wedding, she was a mess because she had received a letter from Gatsby. Daisy was no completely over him, but he didn’t have enough money to support her. When Daisy saw Gatsby for the first time in five years, she was in shock and amazed with what he all had. Beings Gatsby had money, Daisy wanted to be with him. Money seemed to be the only thing that weighed on her mind. “‘Her voice is full of money, he said suddenly.’”(Fitzgerald 127) Gatsby says that when he is talking with Nick. Everyone can see that a man with money interests her very much. Daisy could love someone and be very close to them, but refuse to marry them because they did not have enough money. Daisy started spending more time with Gatsby and she started to feel closer to him. When they all went into the city together, Tom and Gatsby fought about who Daisy truly loved. Gatsby and Daisy ended up heading for home together before the rest of them. When they were driving through the Valley of Ashes, Daisy ran Myrtle over. She did not stop, she just kept on driving. When they arrived home, Gatsby waited outside to make sure that she was okay. Daisy never talked to him again and Gatsby dies soon after. Daisy didn’t even feel close enough to him to even attend his funeral. She didn’t even send a note. Daisy felt that if she wanted to live the American dream she needed a man that had money and in the end, she lost Gatsby but still had Tom.
Myrtle, Gatsby, and Daisy all believed that the perfect American dream was to have both money and love. They soon found out that it was hard to have both. They realized that you sometime can’t always get what you want. During this story everyone lost what they secretly and truly wanted. Myrtle lost her life because of Tom. She thought it was Tom in the car, but it wasn’t. Gatsby lost his life because of Daisy. If he wouldn’t have been going after her, tom may have never even known him to tell Wilson that he was the one driving the car that hit Myrtle. Daisy lost Gatsby completely because she hit Myrtle and didn’t turn herself in. With this story’s American dream, it is very hard to live a happy life with both money and love together.
Sunday, April 19, 2009
Thesis Statement:
Myrtle, Daisy, and Gatsby confuse money with love and end up losing what they already had.
Monday, April 13, 2009
Characters:
Nick: he is the narrator of the story. he seems to have a good education. He is the neighbor of Gatsby. From the Midwest. Has a small relationship with Jordan.
Gatsby: Lives in a mansion and throws big parties. He is searching for Daisy. lives where he does so he could be closer to Gatsby. Seems to keep to himself.
Daisy: Married to Tom. was once in love with Gatsby. She always had the look that made everyone think her life was perfect. She wanted money.
Tom: had a lot of money. Use to be a famous football player. married to Daisy. Had an affair with Myrtle.
Jordan: golfer. She is a very dishonest person. Has a relationship with Nick.
Gatsby: Lives in a mansion and throws big parties. He is searching for Daisy. lives where he does so he could be closer to Gatsby. Seems to keep to himself.
Daisy: Married to Tom. was once in love with Gatsby. She always had the look that made everyone think her life was perfect. She wanted money.
Tom: had a lot of money. Use to be a famous football player. married to Daisy. Had an affair with Myrtle.
Jordan: golfer. She is a very dishonest person. Has a relationship with Nick.
Chapter 9:
Nick organized the funeral. He tried to get a lot of people to come, but no one would. Daisy didn't even go. the only people to attend here Nick, Gatsby's father and some servants. Nick and Gatsby's talk a lot and Nick find out about Gatsby's early childhood. Nick decides to move. While he is in New York City. he runs into Tom. Nick does not shake Toms hand. Tom then says that he told Wilson that it was Gatsby who owned the car. tom says that Gatsby deserved to die. Nick begins to think that Tom and Daisy don't care about anyone and they are just happy to have their money. On nicks last night, he goes over to Gatsby's house and thinks. He thinks about what life would have been like to be and explorer. He believes that it was a dream just like the one Gatsby had for Daisy.
The American Dream is used in this chapter. Nick realizes that everyone has thier own dream. Gatsby dream was to have Daisy. Tom and Daisy were just happy to have the money that they had. the people of found the world had dream to discover new things and stuff. everyone has their own dream.
Question: Do Tom and Daisy end up staying faithful now?
The American Dream is used in this chapter. Nick realizes that everyone has thier own dream. Gatsby dream was to have Daisy. Tom and Daisy were just happy to have the money that they had. the people of found the world had dream to discover new things and stuff. everyone has their own dream.
Question: Do Tom and Daisy end up staying faithful now?
Chapter 8:
Nick goes and visits Gatsby. Gatsby says how he waited for Daisy until 4 and she never came out and nothing had happened. Nick tells him that maybe it would be best if he just leave long island. Gatsby does not want to leave Daisy behind though. Gatsby goes on to tell Nick about him and Daisy before. He said that Daisy promised that she would wait for him but she didn't, she married Tom. Gatsby tells the pool guy to wait a day to drain it because he would like to go for a swim sometime. Wilson was talking to some people and trying to figure out who could have hit myrtle. He thinks it has to be her lover. He thinks about Tom because he had seen him driving the car earlier but knew it wasn't him because she arrived shortly after the accident. later that night Wilson goes go Gatsby's and finds him lying on a mattress in the pool, he shoot him and then himself.
This Chapter also demonstrates loss. Gatsby is shot by Wilson. now that Gatsby is gone a lot of people are affected. People knew him because of parties and everything else. Wilson seemed to feel that he didn't have anything left anyways so he took his own life.
Question: How does Daisy react to Gatsby's Death?
This Chapter also demonstrates loss. Gatsby is shot by Wilson. now that Gatsby is gone a lot of people are affected. People knew him because of parties and everything else. Wilson seemed to feel that he didn't have anything left anyways so he took his own life.
Question: How does Daisy react to Gatsby's Death?
Chapter 7:
Gatsby stops having parties because of Daisy. While everyone is eating lunch, Tom realizes that Gatsby and Daisy are in love. He then begins to talk and asked about it. they all end up going to town. Nick Jordan and Tom all ride in Gatsby's car and Gatsby and Daisy both ride in Tom's car. They had stopped to get gas and they could tell that Wilson had found out about his wife's affair. they get a hotel room and there tom and Gatsby seem to fight over Daisy. daisy begins to feel closer to Tom with all the fighting going on. when they go back home, Gatsby and Daisy ride together because tom makes them. On the way back, Nick, Jordan and Tom see that there has been a hit and run. they soon find out that it was Myrtle. they believe that it was Gatsby and Daisy who had hit her. turns out that Daisy was the one driving the car. Gatsby is worried about Daisy so he asks Nick to check on her, Daisy and Tom were talking so Nick left it be.
This Chapter demonstrates loss. Myrtle is now dead and Tom seems to be in shock but yet he is able to go back to Daisy and talk with her. They seem to try and get things worked out. Wilson has lost his wife. He was already upset with her because he had just found out about her affair and now she is gone forever.
Question: Do they ever turn themselves in?
This Chapter demonstrates loss. Myrtle is now dead and Tom seems to be in shock but yet he is able to go back to Daisy and talk with her. They seem to try and get things worked out. Wilson has lost his wife. He was already upset with her because he had just found out about her affair and now she is gone forever.
Question: Do they ever turn themselves in?
Tuesday, April 7, 2009
Chapter 6:
Reporter come to Gatsby's house to find out more information about him. They want to know if what they have heard is true or not. His original name is James Gatz. He dropped out of college. When he was working on Lake Superior, he told Dan Cody about a storm that was coming in and Dan then was so please with him that he made him is personal assistant. That is how he got the name Jay Gatsby. When Dan died Gatsby got $25000 from him. Nick hadn't seen Gatsby or daisy for awhile so he stopped at Gatsby's house and was surprised to see Tom there. Gatsby ends up telling Tom that he knows Daisy and that next Saturday Tom and Daisy went to Gatsby's party together. Tom was concerned about all the time they were spending together. Gatsby believes that he can make things return to how they were before.
I think Tom starts to feel the loss of Daisy. He seems to act like its a big thing that she is hanging out with Gatsby but yet he can hang out with Myrtle. Tom seems to want to be in control and doesn't want to lose Daisy but yet he doesn't want to have to settle himself down either.
Question: Do Tom and Daisy separate.
I think Tom starts to feel the loss of Daisy. He seems to act like its a big thing that she is hanging out with Gatsby but yet he can hang out with Myrtle. Tom seems to want to be in control and doesn't want to lose Daisy but yet he doesn't want to have to settle himself down either.
Question: Do Tom and Daisy separate.
Sunday, April 5, 2009
Chapter 5:
Nick had just gotten home from his date with Jordan and sees that Gatsby house is all lit up, but it didn't seem like anyone was there. Gatsby then was by Nicks house. he was nervous about whether nick would have daisy over for tea of not. nick said he would and then Gatsby said all these things that he would do for him but nick said that he didn't need to. the day daisy was to come over, it as rainy and Gatsby didn't think that she would come, but she did. when they were first together it was weird but they soon got use to each other and they then when over to Gatsby house and nick left when he noticed that they were fine together and happy.
Daisy sees herself living the American dream when she sees all of Gatsby things. She is amazed with everything that he has. and the things that he has told her.
Question: Will Daisy and Gatsby hook up?
Daisy sees herself living the American dream when she sees all of Gatsby things. She is amazed with everything that he has. and the things that he has told her.
Question: Will Daisy and Gatsby hook up?
Chapter 4:
Nick ends up going out to lunch with Gatsby. at lunch they talked about all the things that Gatsby had done years ago. Gatsby gets pulled over for speeding but when Gatsby shows him a white card the officer apologizes for stopping him. after they ate, nick runs into Jordan. Jordan then begins to tell him about the meeting that she had with Gatsby the night before. Gatsby claims that he and daisy use to be in love but when he went away to war she married tom. He said that he build his mansion where it is so he could be close to her. He wants nick to invite her over for tea sometime that way he can see her. he doesn't want her to know that he will be coming because he is afraid that she wont want to see him.
this chapter is about holding on to the ones you use to love. Gatsby seems to still be in love with Daisy but yet he is afraid to tell her how he truly feels. Sometimes it is hard to yet go of the first ones that you loved. you'll always remember your "first" everything.
Question: What was it that Gatsby showed the officer?
this chapter is about holding on to the ones you use to love. Gatsby seems to still be in love with Daisy but yet he is afraid to tell her how he truly feels. Sometimes it is hard to yet go of the first ones that you loved. you'll always remember your "first" everything.
Question: What was it that Gatsby showed the officer?
Chapter 3:
Nick is invited to Gatsby party. While he is there he ends up meeting up with Jordan because she is the only one that he actually knows. The two of them seemed to keep to themselves for the most part. They did end up going to watch everyone else to get entertained. While they were watching everyone else, a guy came up and asked Nick if they had met before. turned out that this guy was Mr. Gatsby. the two of them had fought together in the WW 1. later during the night Jordan was called into Gatsby's office. Nick then began to express how he felt about Jordan even though she cheated and what not. Nick thinks that he is a very honest person. When they were going home they ran into a guy that had gone into the ditch. he was drunk.
Mutability may be shown in this chapter because of the way Nick is accepting Jordan. He knows that Jordan is not an honest person and he is a very honest person, but yet he is still attracted to her.
Question: What happened to the guy in the ditch? Did he ever get any help?
Mutability may be shown in this chapter because of the way Nick is accepting Jordan. He knows that Jordan is not an honest person and he is a very honest person, but yet he is still attracted to her.
Question: What happened to the guy in the ditch? Did he ever get any help?
Chapter 2:
There is a train that goes from long island to new york city and it makes a lot stops in between there. There is a set of big eyes that looks at a town of Ash. Tom And Nick are on the train because tom wants nick to meet his girlfriend, who is married. They stop at this ashland place and go get Myrtle. While they are there they run into her husband who seems to be clueless. The three of them then get back onto the train and head to new york city he takes them to an apartment where they drank. the McKee family even joined them. Nick tells them that this is only the second time that he has been drunk. Tom ended up breaking her nose because she was talking about his wife and he asked her not to.
Tom and myrtle seem to be trying to live a better life than what they have. They are both married but yet they are having an affiar. The affair is somewhat open. It seems like Myrtle isn't exactly happy with her husband or its just cause he is clueless
Question: Wouldn't myrtle's husband figure it out that something was going beings they have done stuff more than once?
Tom and myrtle seem to be trying to live a better life than what they have. They are both married but yet they are having an affiar. The affair is somewhat open. It seems like Myrtle isn't exactly happy with her husband or its just cause he is clueless
Question: Wouldn't myrtle's husband figure it out that something was going beings they have done stuff more than once?
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